tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20782819.post4636507532936043524..comments2023-11-12T13:22:30.358+01:00Comments on andrewjshields: "The Lyric I"?Andrew Shieldshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02804655739574694901noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20782819.post-60503670854734089142013-06-09T02:50:04.856+02:002013-06-09T02:50:04.856+02:00Andrew, old friend -- the new critics used it, it ...Andrew, old friend -- the new critics used it, it originates with Margarete Susman's 1912 Das Wesen der modernen Lyrik. Definitely NOT persona, but that annihilation of the empirical Ich into a pure structure of subjectivity (well, for Susman -- it's gone downhill afterwards). Clearly indebted to Nietzsche's remarks on the lyrik in Birth of Tragedy. I'm just finishing an article on the lyric we...Silkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16054191662402414697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20782819.post-11272508958580414592012-04-20T07:57:35.794+02:002012-04-20T07:57:35.794+02:00I wonder if it arrived in English through translat...I wonder if it arrived in English through translations of Adorno.Andrew Shieldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02804655739574694901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20782819.post-46731786582743157022012-04-19T17:26:12.613+02:002012-04-19T17:26:12.613+02:00Thomas may, perhaps, have learned the phrase '...Thomas may, perhaps, have learned the phrase 'the lyrical subject' from Perloff:<br /><br />http://marjorieperloff.com/articles/silliman-howe/<br /><br />Perloff, however, doesn't use the phrase 'the lyric "I"', but she quotes a Michael Davidson for the following:<br /><br />Michael Davidson, “Hey Man, My Wave!”: The Authority of Private Language,” in Poetics Journal, 6: “Marginality: Public and Private Language,” ed. Barrett Watten & Lyn Hejinian (1986): 33-45. “The ideal of subjectivity itself,” writes Davidson, “. . . is not so much the source as the product of specific sociohistorical structures. The subject upon which the lyric impulse is based, rather than being able to generate its own language of the heart, is also constituted within a world of public discourse. The lyric “I” emerges as a positional relation. Its subjectivity is made possible by a linguistic and ultimately social structure in which ‘I’ speaks” (p. 41).Presskornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03480116067878605339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20782819.post-78426607321449136662012-04-17T20:58:24.219+02:002012-04-17T20:58:24.219+02:00I do use it (though not often). I think I say &quo...I do use it (though not often). I think I say "the lyrical subject" though, which may not be the same thing. What I mean is the subjectivity that is particular to a poem. The "I" of the lyric.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04858865501469168339noreply@blogger.com